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usong725
May 21st, 2007, 11:54 AM
sobrang init sa amin....imagine, pinagpapawisan ako habang naliligo. :(( kaya we decided to buy an a/c. so far ito na nacheck namin sa waltermart...

Samsung 1hp digital 830watts (with anti-bacteria) = 14.5k
Samsung 1.5hp digital 1135watts (with anti-bacteria) = 16.6k
Carrier 1.25hp digital 1004watts (with anti-bacteria) = 18k
Condura 1.25hp digital 991watts = 16.7k

any feedback on these brands? Is it true na same company lng ung Carrier and Condura? we're leaning towards samsung coz of the lifetime cleaning warranty and cheaper price. kaya lng hindi namin sure ung durability. Korean company pero Made in China sya.:D

ano nga pala recommended HP for a 20sqm room? at saan mas mura bumili? :-?

Thanks
:)>-

Philander
May 21st, 2007, 12:27 PM
for 20SQM, get not lesser than 2HP AirCon. You will save more electricity. Since if you have small unit to cool a big room, the compressor will always be on.

Durablity, kilala ang Condura/Carrier (yup, they are same company)

noweev
May 21st, 2007, 12:32 PM
Kakabili lang namin ng aircon, ang rinecommend samin is Panasonic. So far, ok naman sya. Sabi kasi ng friend ko (who is a dealer of various brands of A/C), yung Carrier/Condura now, hindi pareho nung gawa nila dati. Before, yan talaga ang matibay. Meron din kasi ako Condura sa house, 1.5HP, pero hindi kaya yung 8sq.m. room.

DON2003
May 21st, 2007, 12:54 PM
panasonic cost less yata sa cleaning

88raymond
May 21st, 2007, 01:43 PM
the usual factor in computing the hp needed is from 15 to 18 sqm/hp. pero depende rin where the room is located (east/west/north/south), the number of windows and the ceiling height.

aue.auemyls
May 21st, 2007, 04:09 PM
Kolin.

http://www.kolinphil.com.ph/products_winac_e.htmhttp://www.kolinphil.com.ph/products_winac_e.htm

tonioing
May 21st, 2007, 04:16 PM
go for panasonic. service is good rin.

noweev
May 21st, 2007, 04:56 PM
Ganda nga ng service ng Panasonic.

usong725
May 21st, 2007, 05:11 PM
salamat po sa mga replies.....cge check din namin ung panasonic :)

twincam
May 21st, 2007, 05:57 PM
National is pretty good. Yung nasa room ko was bought 1998 pa. No problems naman up to know.

imhotep
May 21st, 2007, 08:26 PM
For a 20sq-m room, best is to go for 2hp minimum and make sure the room is thermo-sealed (closed and curtained windows, sealed doors etc.) for best energy efficiency. The AC is best mounted high up on the wall. If you want less noise, its best to get a split-type aircon unit (though it would cost more than a regular window-type unit)

For branding, based on more than three decades of installing airconditioners in many of my projects, i would recommend to go for Panasonic, Mitsubishi, and Carrier.

Panasonic - Good name, and quality
Carrier - Tropically made, plastic floor base, enamel painted housing/ frame, best service - will even replace your defect unit with a new unit if your unit goes bad within warranty period.
Mitsubishi - For larger 5tonner and higher needs - best quality and reliability of them all
Liebert/ Emerson -For precision airconditioning - liquid cooled split-type airconditioner

cheers! :)

edtf
May 21st, 2007, 09:12 PM
ok din ang sanyo. BTW, I suggest you get the 3M filter na nakikita mo sa Ace, True Value etc etc. Medyo mahal pero effective talaga. Kapit talaga lahat ng dumi sa 3M filter.

usong725
May 27th, 2007, 12:26 PM
update lng...

bilhin na dapat nmin this weekend ung Samsung...buti na lng lumuwas ung bayaw ko last friday from the province. ayun, pinadala na lng nmin ung unused 1hp 1030 watts Carrier sa bahay. pina charge na lng namin ng freon (1200php) at palit ung capacitor (250php) + labor (300). bale 1750php lng gastos.

mabilis lng lumamig ung room, 5m x 5m x 8' high. mga 2feet above our bed lang ung level ng unit. masarap na ulit matulog. :D

Thanks po sa lahat ng nag reply.....
:)

noweev
May 27th, 2007, 01:05 PM
For split-type, ok pa din ba ang Panasonic? Or anong brand ok for split-type? Para sa dining room kasi.

@imhotep: 20sq.m. = 2HP ... pano po computation kung high ceiling? pano po ba dapat computation nyan in terms of cu.m.?

imhotep
May 27th, 2007, 04:12 PM
@ noweev:

panasonic is a generally good brand. for dining room use however, depending on available floor space: if there is plenty, i personally would get a packaged type a/c but i will stick with either carrier or panasonic. if space is a constraint and you dont want to put a big hole on the wall or strip your window to give way for a window mount a/c. you can get either a split-type wall mount or a ceiling type.

sir, 20sq-m = 2hp is not an exact science, its just a simply rule of thumb considering the room is a basic room is sealed enough from the outside (meaning outside temp does not easily get in equilibrium with the inside - or was that a little too technical).

anyway, the rating for how many hp of ac to get depends on "heat load" computation. ie. how many people, and other heat generating things are there inside the room. Heat load is measured in BTU or british thermal unit.

if you are buying a new ac, its normally easier to just get the aircon vendor to send a guy to your house on a weekend to check the room and give you a recommendation.

i hope this helps... :)

noweev
May 27th, 2007, 05:04 PM
Thank you sir... the window is too far so I would probably get a wall mount split-type... I'll just check with the stores :)

RonnieG
June 14th, 2007, 09:52 PM
Planning to buy one... 3/4HP window-type... 11k only

noweev
June 14th, 2007, 10:52 PM
Sabi nila ok naman daw... don't know about the after sales service though

mjasolis
June 14th, 2007, 11:18 PM
a big NO! find a better brand

RonnieG
June 14th, 2007, 11:39 PM
a big NO! find a better brand


Hmmm.... why?

guguly
June 15th, 2007, 06:55 AM
we have a 1.5HP window type LG. More than 3 years old na. Ayos naman.

mykl
November 14th, 2007, 01:55 PM
guys, anong marecommend niyo na aircon brand? siyempre yung value for money dapat at matibay, i'm thinking of replacing our 4yo unit, mga 1-1.5hp siguro. ty

mhon
November 14th, 2007, 01:57 PM
carrier ako eversince. :D

Romeo
November 14th, 2007, 01:57 PM
http://www.bncxe.org/showthread.php?t=23460

imhotep
November 14th, 2007, 02:57 PM
for home - carrier - good service and good quality. i use a split type 2.5hp in my room. its quiet and is able to cool my 46sq-m room to 24deg C in less than 5mins.

other good aircons i know are: mistubishi and panasonic

Romeo
November 14th, 2007, 03:16 PM
guys, anong marecommend niyo na aircon brand? siyempre yung value for money dapat at matibay, i'm thinking of replacing our 4yo unit, mga 1-1.5hp siguro. ty
btw... anong aircon nyo? bat nyo papalitan?

ang aircon gamit namin ay Kolin... 6 years na... at ok pa rin

doy
November 14th, 2007, 03:19 PM
am using york, so far ok naman :thumb:

danielg
November 14th, 2007, 03:21 PM
Hitachi ok din :)

nelman
November 14th, 2007, 03:30 PM
Sa room ko, Kolin. Ok naman siya and yung service nila. Sobrang ok that my mom and dad bought another Kolin (to replace the old Carrier) for their room a few days ago. :)

jtdc
November 14th, 2007, 08:02 PM
GE naman samin. Pero bihira gamitin eh pag summer lang or pag trip lang. Mahal koryente.

shinta
November 14th, 2007, 08:10 PM
Carrier din kami eversince.

azool
November 14th, 2007, 08:40 PM
diba maganda yung mas mataas yung EER? anong brand po ba yung may mataas na EER?

dasaint
November 14th, 2007, 10:11 PM
carrier sir

redline
November 15th, 2007, 07:21 AM
condura for us. cheaper than carrier. according to technicians, re-badged carrier lang daw to. same internals lang.

yeo2005
November 15th, 2007, 07:39 AM
Ok ang National, pero naging Panasonic na. Ok din ang Carrier.

schnitzerz4
November 15th, 2007, 08:22 AM
panasonic =)

lazeeboy
November 15th, 2007, 08:31 AM
condura. 3 yrs na sa akin. ok naman so far.

get the one with the timer and energy saving plug. you can plug your electric fan there and set the timer. pag off ng aircon, automatic on yung fan. big savings on your electric bill. B-)

pingpong
November 15th, 2007, 08:43 AM
Kami condura.

BTW, how many years ba practical life ng air-con na energy efficient siya ?
Di ba pag masyado luma na di na energy efficient. Or energy consumption is
the same from first year of use up to present.

Vigilante
November 15th, 2007, 10:07 AM
hitachi samin

mykl
November 15th, 2007, 10:34 AM
currently using a condura...mga 4yo pa lang...2times na nasira eh...normal use lang naman...around 8hours per day

thanks for the tips guys!

babyland
November 15th, 2007, 07:17 PM
Go for split-type aircons rather than window-type.

Mas tahimik and better cooling.

psl82
November 15th, 2007, 11:09 PM
Kolin...hindi sya maingay.

:)>- out!

duron
April 13th, 2008, 03:22 PM
how is "Kelvinator" ? pansin ko lang kasi sya ang pinakmura sa mga 1HP na nakita ko. nasa P11.5k lang sya compared to almost P15K ng condura.

mahina na kasi yng Samsung namin na 1/2HP lang for a 10sqm room sa sobrang init! pero w/in 8yrs yung thermostat nya ang nasira...

jtdc
April 13th, 2008, 06:06 PM
GE pa rin gamit ko, works well. Twice na nalinis ng mga usual aircon cleaning guys as part of maintenance... cools quick and cools great. This month nilagyan ko na rin nung 3M Filtrete, an add-on air filter.

ECG
April 14th, 2008, 08:27 AM
Carrier manual kami.

kulugo
April 14th, 2008, 11:38 AM
we use panasonic for our window type a/cs and carrier for the split types
san ba ok palinis?
can anyone give the number for panasonic/carrier service center in qc?

NoTnERb
April 14th, 2008, 12:29 PM
samsung, gamit namin samsung 2HP na aircon, nasa med fan palang which is next to fan which is the first one, so meaning nasa second lang siya, malamig na, ok ang samsung :)

HunterKiller
April 14th, 2008, 10:52 PM
We have an old school a/c, CARRIER. 20 years na sya and still blowing ice cold temperature...hehehehe!!! mas malamig pa sya compared sa 13-year-old na quiet type (CARRIER din) aircon sa kwarto ko. Ang downside nung old CARRIER, ang ingay but the advantage is SIYET!!! Ang tibay nya! Pero yung mas bago, tahimik pero ambilis dumumi and mabilis magbago yung lamig (kumbaga pag araw-araw ginagamit eh in 2-3 months time eh madumi na agad filter nya, unlike yung luma, antagal nung filter madumihan) pag hindi regular yung linis. Kaya tama, mas maganda yung mga sinaunang CARRIER. I heard din po na ang ok pang CARRIER ngayon is yung cabinet type na ginagamit sa mga banks. Yun nga lang, hehehehehe!! pang buong sala nyo na gagamitin yun...hehehe

VIPER
April 15th, 2008, 02:26 AM
Is there any simple way to make the "old" aircon be controlled via remote? Maski on and off lang? Any Plug that has a remote control switch?

88888
October 11th, 2008, 11:28 PM
Any suggestion for the most quiet window type aircon?

How about the most energy efficient window type?

maCOOLit
October 11th, 2008, 11:55 PM
i have the same question, tsaka yung hindi sirain.

Gino
October 12th, 2008, 08:49 AM
One big factor is choosing the correct cooling capacity for the room. Over or under capacity will result in more power consumption. Dapat exact ang aircon for your room size. So measure your room. Then compare with models you are looking at. Sometimes people buy a 1 hp thinking mas matipid. But if room is too big for it, lumalabas na mas matipid pa ang 1.5hp or 2 hp. Conversely some buy 2hp thinking para mas malamig. Ang nangyayari sobrang lamig kaya panay cycle ng compressor. So higher consumption and uncomfortable ang room. Yun bang ang skait na sa ilong. Too dry.

maCOOLit
October 12th, 2008, 03:32 PM
how bout kelvinator or condura
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guguly
October 12th, 2008, 03:37 PM
Panasonic. quiet and durable.

epic
October 12th, 2008, 05:04 PM
National /panasonic is good....


BR,
epic

chekwa
October 12th, 2008, 07:54 PM
all aircon unit should be quiet pag bago.. pero para mas quiet and pag medyo malaki room mo, i would suggest you get a split type. yun tahimik talaga yun.

glennmich
October 14th, 2008, 10:53 AM
Any suggestion for the most quiet window type aircon?

How about the most energy efficient window type?

been on the same situation last month....imho,

Any suggestion for the most quiet window type aircon?
>> Carrier and Panasonic

How about the most energy efficient window type?
>> it depends on the HP (horsepower) that you need (HP will depend on the area of the room). Carrier or Panasonic are my only options

bought a Panasonic 1HP (w/ remote) last month... (upgrading from a 0.75 HP Carrier w/ manual timer)

maCOOLit
October 14th, 2008, 06:16 PM
magkano ung 1hp na panasonic wid remote?l timer)[/QUOTE]
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ashley
February 2nd, 2009, 09:09 AM
It's for a 14 sqm room only. The most inexpensive but durable brand. Is GE ok?
Or Samsung? Hitachi? LG?

redisol
February 2nd, 2009, 09:40 AM
Panasonic. Expensive pero matibay naman so it's cheaper in the long run.

loadex
February 2nd, 2009, 10:38 AM
Carrier.... pero LG is also good

lazeeboy
February 2nd, 2009, 12:16 PM
5 years old na condura aircon ko... and still going strong! :becky:

get one with a timer and an outlet for your electric fan. laking tipid sa kuryente.

jojitb
February 2nd, 2009, 12:40 PM
kung bibili ka nang aircon avoid yun meron mga gadgets like digital display, remotes, etc...

me panasonic a/c kami na may remote, pinalinis ko, nabasa, sira na. samantalang yun condura namin na 10 y/o kahit anong gawin mo buhay pa din at ang lamig pa din.

glennmich
February 2nd, 2009, 03:17 PM
get any brand.. basta make sure you get the best deal.... then extend the warranty on parts/labor.

bought a Panasonic 1HP w/ remote last year, extend its warranty up to 3 years that includes (parts/cleaning/labor).

artsky
February 2nd, 2009, 04:04 PM
stay away from GE. hindi ok experience namin.

imhotep
February 2nd, 2009, 08:09 PM
im a builder and my take on A/Cs:

1. Carrier - good quality, good service
2. Mitsubishi Air - very good quality - industrial grade
3. Panasonic - good quality more or less... but this is my last choice...

cheers

DON2003
February 2nd, 2009, 09:17 PM
am waiting for Hitachi window type with Inverter Technology to replace my Panasonic, when kaya lalabas?

ashley
February 4th, 2009, 06:59 PM
Thank you everyone, how about Kolin?

bliss
February 4th, 2009, 07:21 PM
satisfied ako sa panasonic namin tahimik and energy saver tlga

redisol
February 13th, 2009, 06:35 AM
am waiting for Hitachi window type with Inverter Technology to replace my Panasonic, when kaya lalabas?

Lumabas na yata. May newspaper ad na sila today. Ok kaya ito? Di kaya mas mahirap maintain ito?

chase
February 13th, 2009, 06:40 AM
magkano pumapatak yung hitachi with inverter?

ashley
February 13th, 2009, 08:21 PM
What's an inverter?

Arjhee
February 13th, 2009, 09:25 PM
What's an inverter?

I haven't seen the ads, but I'm guessing that the inverter allows that particular aircon to run on DC power (24V battery)?

redisol
February 13th, 2009, 09:34 PM
What's an inverter?

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_inverter_air_con_better_than_normal_air_con

In theory, the inverter air con is more efficient in energy saving and temperature control. It's compressor motor is driven by direct current ( thereby a current inverter is installed in this air con) and its speed is variable. The compressor regulates the temperature by speeding up or slowing down the rpm of the compressor, just like a car engine in the highway. When the desired room temperature is reached, the compressor motor will run at a constant medium speed, just like a car on cruise control.
The normal air con regulates temperature by turning the compressor on and off. This start up process consumes 3times more electricity and the room temperature will also go warm to cool by about + or - 4 degrees during these process.


My brother-in-law replaced his aircon with a Panasonic inverter model and he said his electric bill has dropped significantly.


I called our favorite appliance stores and di pa available so I called the Hitachi hotline. Di pa daw released yung window type inverter model nila and when I asked the srp, wala pa daw definite na pricing pero nasa around P45k daw! Mag Panasonic na split type na lang ako kung ganun.

chase
February 14th, 2009, 07:03 AM
45k? tago na lang nila yan.hhahaha

Skipper
February 14th, 2009, 12:57 PM
I haven't seen the ads, but my guessing that the inverter allows that particular aircon to run on DC power (24V battery)?

Nope. hehehe...

It's a technology in the aircon where you save a lot bec it maintains it's flow of the aircon unlike before na palitan ang aircon and fan mode.

Arjhee
February 14th, 2009, 02:54 PM
Thanks for the correction. :)

I mistakenly thought the inverter was meant to convert electrical input from a DC source (24V battery) into AC (220V) in order to power the aircon. :D

Thinking about it now, without an alternator (just like in a car), a DC-powered aircon such as what I was thinking of would run out of juice in under a minute (if it even manages to get the compressor going, at all). :loco:

bliss
February 22nd, 2009, 08:01 AM
i remember may lalabas na bagong aircon model
yung painting nalang itsura
forgot what brand
I've seen it in a convention sa mega mall
It so cool hehe
pero siguro mahal pa yun pag nirelease

maCOOLit
March 20th, 2009, 06:56 AM
yung LG ba maganda?

chase
March 20th, 2009, 07:53 AM
ang init na! may bodega sale ang carrier ah...sa may east service road p'que.

maCOOLit
March 20th, 2009, 10:36 PM
waw ang layo, hehehehe maganda nga raw carrier. hope may sale samin bukas, kelangan ko na talaga bumili.

pitz
March 20th, 2009, 11:46 PM
yung LG ba maganda?

Heard ok naman daw.

You can't go wrong with CARRIER pero if you'll go for a more affordable brand, CONDURA will do. Same technology lang silang dalawa pero Condura is much cheaper due to Carrier is internationally branded and patent while condura if i'm not mistaken is locally manufactured.

Kaya nang palamigin ng 1Hp ang area mo but i suggest you go for 1.5Hp
Halos same lang ang consumption. Initial investment will be a bit more but value for the money will be better for long term use.

maCOOLit
March 21st, 2009, 12:04 AM
thanks pitz! dami kasi akong nakikitang LG sa abenson dito, pero try ko tingin ng affordable na condura. sabi nila tahimik daw condura, budget ko kasi is not more than 15t. diba mas matakaw sa kuryente ang 1.5hp? sabi nila consider ko rin yung EER. higher eer the better diba?

artsky
March 22nd, 2009, 10:38 AM
maganda maging commercialy available na yung ref / aircon na sonic (sound powered). very low in power consumption and most of all, it doesn't use coolants that are harmful sa environment.

epic
March 22nd, 2009, 05:22 PM
This reminds me of the subzero pro-48 ref/freezer with glass door, costing half million but consumes less than a 100W bulb in energy.... Same as the inverter aircon.


BR,
epic

maCOOLit
March 22nd, 2009, 11:28 PM
yey! nakabili na ako aircon. its a condura. got it for 14,698 may free electric fan pa.

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4039/file0000000345.jpg
http://www.smappliance.com/productdetail.php?id=10083465

artsky
March 23rd, 2009, 06:57 AM
wow congrats pero bakit manual type control? ayaw mo ng de-remote? sabagay mukang sirain pag may logic board. madalas yun ang masira.

maCOOLit
March 23rd, 2009, 07:40 AM
yap, sinandya ko talang piliin ang manual controls lang, kasi sirain nga mga may boards according narin sa mga nabasa ko sa mga forums. anyway, may saksakan ng electric fan yung male connector ng aircon, pag namatay ang aircon sa timer, sisindi nya yung electric fan. hehehe tipid.

DON2003
March 23rd, 2009, 10:16 AM
I am waiting to upgrade all our aircon to inverter type, but still waiting for window type to become available, all in the market are split type kasi,

pitz
March 24th, 2009, 09:28 AM
thanks pitz! dami kasi akong nakikitang LG sa abenson dito, pero try ko tingin ng affordable na condura. sabi nila tahimik daw condura, budget ko kasi is not more than 15t. diba mas matakaw sa kuryente ang 1.5hp? sabi nila consider ko rin yung EER. higher eer the better diba?

Between 1Hp & 1.5Hp, minimal difference lang. Basic logic for same room space is:
1Hp - needs more time to set the room cool then cut-off compressor
1.5Hp - less time to set it cool, shorter running time for the compressor.

COngratulations for your new Condura.

---------- Post added at 09:28 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:25 AM ----------


yap, sinandya ko talang piliin ang manual controls lang, kasi sirain nga mga may boards according narin sa mga nabasa ko sa mga forums. anyway, may saksakan ng electric fan yung male connector ng aircon, pag namatay ang aircon sa timer, sisindi nya yung electric fan. hehehe tipid.

Hehehe yung sa plug niya energy switch malaking bagay nga sa pagtitipid.

ECG
April 20th, 2009, 07:48 AM
yey! nakabili na ako aircon. its a condura. got it for 14,698 may free electric fan pa.

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4039/file0000000345.jpg
http://www.smappliance.com/productdetail.php?id=10083465

tumaas na ng 1,000 pesos.
yung Condura ko kasi 13years na. mukhang nanghihina na. im planning to replace it.

found thr o.r. it was P13,600 way back 1996.
di pala masyado nagmahal.

rufnnek
April 20th, 2009, 08:38 AM
i got a feeders koppel bought 6 years ago. digital with remote.
as i observed, di malakas kumain ng kuryente ang aircon kung lagi malinis.

guguly
April 20th, 2009, 10:06 PM
What's the usual or ideal electricity consumption ba ng aircon? Halimbawa, for overnight use (9pm-5am) with thermostat setting at 22, ano ang ideal consumption ng electricity? Ngayong summer, 5-7 kwh is okay ba or should it be lower?

artsky
April 21st, 2009, 04:39 AM
mukang mahirap compute yan sir kasi aside from thermostat setting, depende din sa heat load na nasa loob ng room plus yung mga loss dahil sa leak.

ito yung mga usual factors: number of occupants inside the room, heat generating appliances powered-on like lights, tv, computers, etc.

ECG
April 25th, 2009, 10:13 PM
mas mataas pala EER ng LG versus Carrier/Condura. same na 1hp.

pitz
April 25th, 2009, 10:46 PM
tumaas na ng 1,000 pesos.
yung Condura ko kasi 13years na. mukhang nanghihina na. im planning to replace it.

found thr o.r. it was P13,600 way back 1996.
di pala masyado nagmahal.

Ang mahal nung electric fan P1,098.00 hehehehe

Maganda naman performance ng Condura ...... long lasting din at Silencia series na.

maCOOLit
April 25th, 2009, 11:02 PM
shocks! 1,995 ang electric bill namin tsk tsk, from 750pesos lang dati.

bcpnj2007
April 25th, 2009, 11:26 PM
Compute mo na lang, for a 1HP aircon, mga 9 pesos per hour. 4 hours usage is equal to 36 pesos per day. Multiplied by 31 = 1116.00 pesos a month

maCOOLit
April 25th, 2009, 11:32 PM
tama nga si bcpnj2007, na compute ko nga 40 pesos per day ang bilang ko.

ECG
April 26th, 2009, 09:37 PM
finally, i bought Carrier manual 1hp at SM this morning.
i like their 5 stages of filter feature.

maCOOLit
April 26th, 2009, 10:27 PM
congrats ECG! how much?

ECG
April 27th, 2009, 08:42 PM
congrats ECG! how much?

P15,795 cash price.

did you register your unit?

txtchic
May 8th, 2009, 10:35 PM
^register where?

i also bought a carrier 2 weeks ago .5hp manual with timer.

chase
May 9th, 2009, 07:37 AM
may window type na inverter type ah...hitachi brand. anyone tried it?

ECG
May 12th, 2009, 09:10 PM
^register where?

i also bought a carrier 2 weeks ago .5hp manual with timer.

sa website ng carrier. for the warranty daw.

DON2003
May 12th, 2009, 11:23 PM
may window type na inverter type ah...hitachi brand. anyone tried it?

where, yan ang inaantay ko para palitan ang Panasonic ko na every cleaning may singaw sa tubings.

sana di sobrang mahal para palitan ko na agad, sabay save sa electric bill.

saan meron? puntahan ko na bukas agad

chase
May 13th, 2009, 08:05 AM
nakita ko lang sa dyaryo e..pagnakita ko uli sabihin ko sa u dito.

artsky
June 29th, 2009, 12:19 PM
hay ang init pa din nowadays kahit rainy season na. mukang mapapabili ako ng a/c. yung gamit namin is circa 1985 pa ok pa naman lumamig kaso malakas na sa kuryente.

ECG
July 11th, 2009, 10:38 AM
P33,499 daw yung Panasonic Envio. inverter technology, 1hp split type.
50% reduction daw ng energy consumption.

wala pa yatang window type.

artsky
July 11th, 2009, 10:54 AM
oo nga eh bakit hindi pa nila nirerelease ito sa window type? ganun ba ka-complicated yung electronics section nun, or marketing strategy?

redisol
July 11th, 2009, 01:06 PM
Yung Hitachi meron window type na inverter pero mas mahal naman sa split type. Midea may inverter din... ok kaya midea?

ECG
July 12th, 2009, 08:12 AM
mag antay antay pa tayo. lalabas din mga yan at bababa presyo.

qrv777
July 13th, 2009, 06:37 PM
malaki ba talaga ang tipid ng inverter aircon?

ECG
July 13th, 2009, 08:42 PM
malaki ba talaga ang tipid ng inverter aircon?

50% daw sa energy consumption.

redisol
July 13th, 2009, 09:22 PM
brothers-in-law gamit inverter and they said na bumaba talaga ang bill nila so I think it's worth getting an inverter type aircon over the conventional one. Bawi mo naman ang price difference within a few months

artsky
October 11th, 2009, 07:38 AM
Yung Hitachi meron window type na inverter pero mas mahal naman sa split type. Midea may inverter din... ok kaya midea?

yung salesman kahapon sa SM north was pushing this brand na Midea. sabi nya yan din daw laman ng ibang branded na a/c. I wonder if this is true.

pag check ko online chinese company itong midea. anyone tried it na?

redisol
October 28th, 2009, 08:13 PM
I'm buying an Inverter aircon but I'm torn between Panasonic and Kolin. Kolin has a slightly higher cooling capacity than Panasonic and is cheaper by 2k+. Pero tried and tested na ng mga brother-in-law ko ang Panasonic.

Ang concern ko lang is mahal daw parts ng panasonic kung sakaling mag-breakdown according to an aircon installer. Kolin daw mas mura parts and service. Tutoo kaya ito?

babyland
November 5th, 2009, 11:29 AM
OK kaya ang UNION or American Home na brand?

I saw it being sold in SM Hypermart for 7,500 pesos only (1/2 HP). Pwede na ito for 10 sqm room.

DON2003
November 5th, 2009, 11:40 AM
meron na ba inverter type na window-type?
gusto ko palitan ang aircons namin para makatipid, but don't like the split-type model.

redisol
November 5th, 2009, 12:07 PM
meron na ba inverter type na window-type?
gusto ko palitan ang aircons namin para makatipid, but don't like the split-type model.


Found this in an old Sulit.com ad. Mas mahal pa sa split ang price.

Mas preferred ko din sana Window type para wala ng installation and mas madaling ilipat ng location pero no choice since mahal ang window type. Another concern ko sa split type is masyadong tahimik siguradong maririnig namin ingay ng kapitbahay and basketball court sa tabi :((




HITACHI "Inverter Type" Window Aircon
The First Inverter Scroll Compressor Window Type Air Conditioner in the World. Save on electricity use Inverter type Aircon.

1HP Aircon model: RA-25NL = 42,000
(W=600 x H=425 x D=775mm) Cooling Area = 14-19 sqm
power input=818 watts / cooling capacity = 11,000 kj/hr / EER=13.5


1.5HP Aircon model: RA-32NQ = 45,000
(W=600 x H=425 x D=775mm) Cooling Area = 20-25 sqm
power input=1125 watts / cooling capacity = 13,900 kj/hr / EER=12.4
1.7HP Aircon model: RA-36NU = 50,000
(W=680 x H=468 x D=820mm) Cooling Area = 20-28 sqm
power input=1250 watts / cooling capacity = 15,700 kj/hr / EER=12.4

2HP Aircon model: RA-45NW = 52,000
(W=680 x H=468 x D=820mm) Cooling Area = 25-36 sqm
power input=1666 watts / cooling capacity = 20,000 kj/hr / EER=12.0

Basic Features:
- Double Flow Air System
- Extremely quiet operation
- Highest EER Value
- Nano Photocatalyst Filter Ion Silver
- See picture below for more

Warranty


This warranty does not cover

- Damage due to fire, water, improper use, accident and forced majure

- Tampering or removal of serial number

- Unit has been serviced by anyone other than duly authorized service center.

- Damage accessories like remote contr

stingray1059
November 5th, 2009, 12:37 PM
sana magkaroon ng solar powered aircon..
mag charge siya sa umaga habang nasa work ka, then pag uwi mo sa gabi ready na yung aircon. then pag gising mo sa umaga mag cha charge siya ulit.

glennmich
November 6th, 2009, 07:48 AM
sana magkaroon ng solar powered aircon..
mag charge siya sa umaga habang nasa work ka, then pag uwi mo sa gabi ready na yung aircon. then pag gising mo sa umaga mag cha charge siya ulit.

Nice idea.. pero malakas sigurado magconsume yun ng battery kasi solar panels stores its power on batteries... baka sandali pa lang naka-on ubos na ang charge unless napakalaking battery.

redisol
November 20th, 2009, 08:18 AM
malaki ba talaga ang tipid ng inverter aircon?


Sa mga interested bumili ng inverter aircon, eto comparative readings between my old fedders and my new Panasonic Inverter using a power meter:

Fedders 1.5 hp (12hrs usage/day)/ set to 19 degrees celsius, low cool/swing off
Power Consumption= 10.98kw-h
Operating cost/day (assuming P9.5/kw-h) P104.384

Panasonic 1.5 Hp Inverter/12 hrs/set to 22 degrees celsius/fan speed 3 of 5/Patrol sensor on/swing off.
Power Consumption= 4.13Kw-h
Operating cost/day = P39.25/day


So malaki ang matitipid ko based on these initial readings and provided na accurate and consistent ang reading ko. More than 50% although I think sa case ko lang ito since my old Fedders had a defective thermostat so that kailangan naka 19 degrees celsius lagi kaya panay ang andar ng compressor. My Panasonic was set to 22 -23 degrees when I made the test.


Approx Monthly savings: 3,131.52-1,177.52 = P1,954.00
Based on this, bawi ko na ang cost ng unit and installation in approx 2 years.

Please note that these readings are based on my personal operating conditions and may be prone to error.

jojitb
November 20th, 2009, 02:49 PM
san mo nabili panasonic inverter split-type mo? 1.5HP? magkano po?

redisol
November 20th, 2009, 03:02 PM
Sa Western Marketing

Unit cost P36,999 (12mos installment) + extended warranty (addt'l 2 yrs) for P2,500. If you pay in cash merong ibang stores nagbebenta ng P33,300

artsky
November 20th, 2009, 06:43 PM
bababa din price nyan pag naging common na. as of now ang mahal eh. yung talagang babad sa a/c ang makikinabang dyan. pero kung occassional use lang ok na yung ordinary a/c.

redisol
November 21st, 2009, 06:36 AM
bababa din price nyan pag naging common na. as of now ang mahal eh. yung talagang babad sa a/c ang makikinabang dyan. pero kung occassional use lang ok na yung ordinary a/c..

For me, sulit naman since laging ginagamit and it will pay for itself naman in 3 years or less. pero pag occasional use di nga sulit. Dapat mga 8hrs+/day of use siguro para mabawi.

Naglabas na din ng Inverter and IDEC brand. Yung laging nagaadvertise sa newspaper. Sana mura lang.

artsky
November 29th, 2009, 12:52 PM
check this out:

YouTube- Daikin Inverter Air Conditioner-absolute comfort(Alba Nord)

jojitb
February 17th, 2010, 08:37 AM
got my 1.5HP panasonic inverter installed two weeks ago. replacing our old 1HP window type. Got it at a much lower price but did not consider the installation costs.

Installation is PHP3.5K with free 3m tubing/cabling. 1.4K for each additional meter. Plus you need to have a dedicated aircon electrical circuit with breaker and you need to buy an aircon plug.

Kakatuwa lang kasi talagang mukhang matipid sa kuryente ito. Kakaasar lang sobra tahimik di ako matulog hehehehe.

DON2003
February 17th, 2010, 10:03 AM
how much is the National 1.5HP inverter type?
planning to replace my noisy window type.
if the compressor will place at the back of the wall lang, how much kaya installation,
di ba mahal ang cleaning or maintaince ng split type?

artsky
February 17th, 2010, 11:01 AM
yung hitachi sila pa lang ata merong window-type na inverter series.

got my kolin s-series a month ago. dapat panasonic na window type kukunin ko kaso ang nipis ng casing nya.

overall happy ako dito sa kolin ko. mukang matipid sa kuryente coz pag madaling araw parang hindi na umaandar yung compressor yet the room is cool pa din. i think what the a/c does is to use the collected water as a sort of evaporative cooling, but not sure about this coz walang documentation sa manual. all it says na mas efficient sya working as "no-drip" as compared sa drip-mode.

redisol
February 17th, 2010, 12:02 PM
how much is the National 1.5HP inverter type?
planning to replace my noisy window type.
if the compressor will place at the back of the wall lang, how much kaya installation,
di ba mahal ang cleaning or maintaince ng split type?

Pag back-to-back supposed to be "free" pero ewan ko kung paano nila compute kasi laging merong charge. Mine inabot ng 6k+ malayo kasi yung compressor unit.

Around P800.00 yata cleaning depende sa contractor. May free namang 2x cleaning on the first year so every six months ko pa-clean. Don't worry about the cleaning pag inverter since bawi mo naman sa matitipid mo sa kuryente.

DON2003
February 17th, 2010, 02:10 PM
thanks, baka kasi same as diesel engine, cheap ang gas pero napaka mahal ang major maintainance so lalabas same lang,

redisol
February 17th, 2010, 02:22 PM
medyo mahal nga pag may masirang parts after warranty. Nung nabili ko kasi yung akin may factory defect and yung pinalitan daw nilang parts is P7,000 daw each kung out of warranty. Parang motherboard ang itsura. Hi-tech kasi kaya pag nasira mahirap pagawa sa neighborhood technician.

Good thing na kumuha ako ng extended warranty para kung sakaling bumigay within the first three years covered pa rin ako. After three years pag may major problem palitan ko na lang ng bago since bawi ko na naman siguro ang cost ng unit sa natipid ko sa kuryente.

xXEJXx
March 7th, 2010, 07:13 PM
hi sa lahat ng mga aircon experts dyan
newbie lang po ako
yung aircon ko po namin sa bahay is kolin .75 hp na aircon (KAG-08ME)
san po ba pwede mg pa cleaning service at how much po?more than 6 months na sya since noong binili

artsky
March 7th, 2010, 09:26 PM
try mo check yung resibo mo baka may free cleaning yan since within a year pa lang naman. my kolin came with 2 free cleaning services within a year after purchase. tawag mo lang sa office nila. see kolin manual on the tel #.

xXEJXx
March 9th, 2010, 06:51 AM
try mo check yung resibo mo baka may free cleaning yan since within a year pa lang naman. my kolin came with 2 free cleaning services within a year after purchase. tawag mo lang sa office nila. see kolin manual on the tel #.

bakit wala po akong nakita doon sa warranty card sa sm appliance center po namin ito binili
wala naman po nakasulat sa resibo
pwede ko po ba ito itanong sa kanila kapag tumawag ako?

redisol
March 9th, 2010, 07:48 AM
bakit wala po akong nakita doon sa warranty card sa sm appliance center po namin ito binili
wala naman po nakasulat sa resibo
pwede ko po ba ito itanong sa kanila kapag tumawag ako?

Pwede yan basta nasa iyo pa resibo. Tawag ka lang sa hotline nila.

duron
April 5th, 2010, 11:00 PM
guys which of the 4 ang pipiliin nyo kung yung price difference nila ay about P+/- P1K lang, 1HP window type (pwede na ba ito sa 12 cubic Ft. na room?)

LG
Kelvinator
Panasonic
Condura

BTW may naka try na ng DIY Aircon?

YouTube- home made air conditioner

artsky
April 6th, 2010, 05:41 AM
Malamang condura ako.

smooth
April 6th, 2010, 09:11 AM
guys which of the 4 ang pipiliin nyo kung yung price difference nila ay about P+/- P1K lang, 1HP window type (pwede na ba ito sa 12 cubic Ft. na room?)

LG
Kelvinator
Panasonic
Condura

BTW may naka try na ng DIY Aircon?

YouTube- home made air conditioner (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR9CA8lJGvs)

kahit less than 1/4 hp kaya ang 12 cu ft na room. just to confirm, did you really mean 12 cu ft? that's just about 0.3 cu meters. that is really small. i don't think kaya mo humiga dyan. well, actually, pwede naman but its really uncomfortable. but i think kaya ata ng mga assistant ng mga magician.

duron
April 6th, 2010, 07:21 PM
hehehehe sorry it should have been 12 cu meters, nasany kasi ako sa HK na puro square ft ang gamit nila sa mga flat nila...

anyway's change of plan, sabi ni misis pagtiyagaan nalang namin itong 10yr old 1/2 HP na Samsung hehehe, ref nalang daw ang palitan muna

Off to the ref thread, getting one bukas na....

glennmich
April 7th, 2010, 04:45 PM
help guys...

a new window type aircon was installed close to the dirty kitchen, is there a very high possiblity of the unit to suck cooking oil fumes and cause severe damage on the unit? If yes, how can i prevent this if i dont have an option to relocate the unit...?

btw, the unit's rear part is the one facing the dirty kitchen.

epic
April 15th, 2010, 11:20 AM
if rear part on the dirty kitchen will have no problem on your aircon AFAIK cause air is blown out on the rear part of aircon so ur dirty kitchen will be hotter...

BR,
epic

klipsch
April 26th, 2010, 02:13 PM
Good day BNCers!

May question sana ako about this aircon timer na nakita ko sa net. Well, its a digital aircon timer with an electric fan output. As soon as the aircon turns off, the electric fan will turn on.

Safe po ba to sa aircon? Directions kasi dun sa aircon is to wait atleast 2 mintues before you switch the aircon to fan, then another 2 minutes to turn off. Mangyayari kasi with this timer, sudden off ng aircon. Hindi na siya dadaan to fan then off.

Thanks po!

duron
April 26th, 2010, 02:41 PM
^ i guess no problem naman yan as long as the Timer can handle the power output of the aircon & yung Fan naman mababa lang ang wattage nyan.

BTW may gumagamit ba dito ng Uni-Air? local brand ba ito?

klipsch
April 26th, 2010, 02:44 PM
Update to my question:

Called Gree to ask if the sudden off of my aircon will cause any long term damage to my aircon, according to them hindi naman daw. Its like comparing a car kelangan 1st gear muna before mag 2nd gear, kaya fan muna before mag low cool. Pag nag low cool ka agad, parang ang 2nd gear ka agad. Sa pag off, walang problema parang hininto mo lang koche mo agad.

Im not sure if he is accurate with this info, anyone with experience or knowledge about my problem?

Thanks so much!

---------- Post added at 02:44 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:43 PM ----------

Thanks DURON. I think wala naman problem wattage or compatibiltiy wise because according to the device it supports up to 2 HP, 1 HP lang naman yung aircon sa bahay. Hehe.

duron
April 26th, 2010, 02:46 PM
^ I always do that to my aircon here in China/HK :D

naka todo lahat Fan & cooling then pag lalabas na ako sa kuwarto off ko lang yung power switch sa wall socket - ang taas naman kasi ng pagka install nila :nerd:

epic
April 27th, 2010, 10:14 AM
will buy later 1HP Carrier XPower Inverter aircon at ANson's using pay later plan and 12 mos zero paylite plan combined@ 33,500 plus installation pa....


BR,
epic

Cassidy
April 27th, 2010, 10:24 AM
will buy later 1HP Carrier XPower Inverter aircon at ANson's using pay later plan and 12 mos zero paylite plan combined@ 33,500 plus installation pa....


BR,
epic

Feedback boss :)

epic
May 5th, 2010, 05:14 PM
wala pala free installation ang Inverter aircon, I was charged 6k for it including labor...

well so far Malamig naman siya after setting it at 24degrees....


BR,
epic

DON2003
May 5th, 2010, 05:33 PM
pls comment on the electric consumption of this Carrier inverter type,
mukhang good investment as it can save on electric bill,

ECG
May 6th, 2010, 10:23 AM
sabi nila kung malakas ka talaga gumamit ng aircon like wholeday use, go for inverter types.

pero kung 3hrs a day or less ka lang. matagal bago mo mabawi yung difference ng cost ng inverter type and ordinary.

loko__loko
May 7th, 2010, 02:32 PM
w/c is better slip type?

samsung
LG
Panasonic
Carrier

based on the newspaper, Carrier is the best..

any actual user feedback?

artsky
May 9th, 2010, 02:21 PM
try mo din bro yung hitachi na split-type, yan nakikita kong gamit sa 7-11. sa office naman mitsibushi na cassette type. 24/7 yung sa office and I'm sure ganun din sa 7-11.

---------- Post added at 02:21 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:20 PM ----------

parang gusto ko nga din upgrade yung window type ko to inverter. mukang mapapadalas ang aircon usage ko.

DON2003
May 26th, 2010, 03:22 PM
our bed room measures 10ft x 13ft x10ft (height)

what is the right capacity of aircon I really need?

babyland
May 26th, 2010, 05:33 PM
our bed room measures 10ft x 13ft x10ft (height)

what is the right capacity of aircon I really need?

1 HP is enough. If you want really malamig siya, 1.5HP.

yhenex
July 23rd, 2010, 04:05 PM
hi, anyone here has gree split type installed in your room/house/office?i had one installed last april. since that time, i already observed clicking sound sa indoor. very annoying you can't go to sleep soundly. the electronic board was replaced, since the technician was suspecting it was due to the board. but then after that, same pa rin yong problem. i really don't think it's normal coz the volume of the clicking sound is increasing. i have my settings, fan swing off, 25-27 degrees. kahit na fan swing on andyan pa rin.

Gino
July 23rd, 2010, 08:05 PM
AC shouldn't have clicking sound. Something is mechanically wrong with your unit. AC I mean :-)

artsky
July 24th, 2010, 05:12 AM
yung kolin window type ko may clicking sound but it happens during auto fan speed adjust. got used to it eventually.

Gino
July 24th, 2010, 08:58 AM
Occasional clicks that coincide with an action is normal. Those are relays activating. Continuous rhythmic clicks or knocks are not normal.

redisol
July 24th, 2010, 11:34 AM
Have it checked again. Di dapat ganyan. Kaya ka nga nag split type para tahimik. Kung di nila marepair dapat replace na lang nila.

jayrb
September 23rd, 2010, 07:45 PM
hi, can anyone give a feedback with Kolin (KAG-120RS) window type? here are the specs:

1HP
11,200 cooling capacity
11.7 EER
with timer and remote

the sales rep showed me that it has more copper tubing compared to any A/C and it doesn't displace any water anymore just like other A/C because according to him its being used by the A/C itself for cooling purposes. It also doesn't use bushing on its fan so it should lessen the noise in the long run when the bushing has worn out. How true are these info? I hope i could get expert opinion regarding this brand and also from the current owners of Kolin. Thanks in advance.

Gino
September 23rd, 2010, 08:37 PM
That info is true. Modern ac's no longer discharge water. I got my second LG this week. 2HP LA200R. Well matched to my room with high ceiling. My older LG 1.5hp is doing very well.

jayrb
September 23rd, 2010, 09:24 PM
If i'll be choosing between the two.. what would be advisable to buy?

Panasonic CW-XC104VPH
1HP, 11.7EER, 11,000 kj/h (cooling capacity), 990watts
18,599Php

Kolin KAG-120RS both 1HP
1HP, 11.7EER, 11,200 kj/h (cooling capacity), 960watts
17,445Php

Thanks again in advance for the help.

glennmich
September 24th, 2010, 10:43 AM
Panasonic --> great compressor (matsu----a)

jojitb
September 24th, 2010, 12:19 PM
hi, can anyone give a feedback with Kolin (KAG-120RS) window type? here are the specs:

1HP
11,200 cooling capacity
11.7 EER
with timer and remote

the sales rep showed me that it has more copper tubing compared to any A/C and it doesn't displace any water anymore just like other A/C because according to him its being used by the A/C itself for cooling purposes. It also doesn't use bushing on its fan so it should lessen the noise in the long run when the bushing has worn out. How true are these info? I hope i could get expert opinion regarding this brand and also from the current owners of Kolin. Thanks in advance.


They still discharge water but some models nowadays use the water to help in cooling the condensers. The water pools into an area inside the AC and the fan blows the water into the condenser coils. evaporation of the water helps in increasing the cooling efficiency. much like jeepney drivers pouring water on the exterior of their radiators to help cool down their overheating engines. meron pa din konting tulo pero mahina na lang.

Ayoko lang dito sa mga lugar na maalikabok tulad sa amin, ang bilis dumumi nang aircon.

Gino
September 24th, 2010, 01:39 PM
Oh so that's how it works. That is why I still hear water splashing from outside. But amazingly it's not dripping.

jayrb any of those ac units will be ok. My primary concern when buying an aircon is matching the cooling capacity to the room. There are formula's on the net. Area, number of windows, number of people are considered. Normally the manufacturer recommended floor area applies to 8 foot ceilings. If you have a high ceiling, like I do, you may have to go up a recommended capacity.

I noticed that the compressor was always on when I used a 1.5hp. When I got the 2hp, the compressor goes on and off as it should. It is entirely possible that operating a 2hp can be cheaper than a 1.5hp if the conditions favor the 2hp use.

babyland
September 24th, 2010, 01:53 PM
To those who bought INVERTER aircons, have you NOTICED any electricity savings at all?
By how much?

Or baka naman, negligible and hype lang? THanks.

jojitb
September 24th, 2010, 02:25 PM
yup. it is not hype. it does save electrity.

problema dahil matipid sa kuryente, mas madalas mo gagamitin aircon mo kaya halos pareho lang bill mo. pero kung dispilinado ka sa paggamit nang AC, you can expect about 1/3 reduction in your AC electricity consumption

purple jedi
September 24th, 2010, 02:49 PM
Inverter a/cs does save electricity bill by 20 percent. Mahal sa simula but definitely an investment. I recommend panasonic.

Gino
September 24th, 2010, 03:48 PM
Inverter sounds good. But the cost is prohibitive. Savings on consumption is put on the ac cost. About 2x as much. That's fine in the long run IF the ac lasts a long time. Add up the savings. I seriously doubt it will be bigger than the difference in price between an inverter ac and a normal one.

jayrb
September 24th, 2010, 03:59 PM
Inverter sounds good. But I've not seen them in window type ac units.

Meron na yatang Inverter for window type.. Hitachi has one pero the price is similar to the split type so mas advisable pa na split type na lang.

Gino
September 25th, 2010, 10:04 AM
Here is an interesting ac system. Solar assisted. They made bold energy savings claims when I saw them on ANC. It looks expensive which offsets the savings. 5 years warranty. Assuming the company is around.

http://www.edwardmarcsphil.com/Sedna.html

redisol
September 25th, 2010, 10:56 AM
Inverter sounds good. But the cost is prohibitive. Savings on consumption is put on the ac cost. About 2x as much. That's fine in the long run IF the ac lasts a long time. Add up the savings. I seriously doubt it will be bigger than the difference in price between an inverter ac and a normal one.

Actually, significant naman ang savings. As I've posted earlier around 40-50% din ang baba based on my measurements (compared to my old ac) using a power meter and nag-reflect din sa electric bill. More than 2k drop per month which is not bad.

babyland
September 26th, 2010, 01:53 AM
Am deciding between Carrier or Panasonic but leaning towards the latter.

Should I get the Panasonic split-type with built-in air purifier/ionizer? Quote is 58K versus 48K if just an ordinary split-type inverter (2.5HP). Is an air purifier/e-ionizer really worth it or just hype?

jojitb
September 29th, 2010, 05:45 PM
take note lang, split-type ACU installation is not free. prepare 7-10K more para di sumama loob ninyo.